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		<title>Comment on Take That Statue Down! by Barbara Munsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Munsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 14:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elderberry, I see you intend to continue not only derailment but Godwin--okay, whatever.

Comprehensive?  No, but long history of observation, made much easier by the theatrics of one of the doyennes of perpetual outraged vitimhood in the county.

The manure comments came on a day when Mrs. brought in a pound of bologna sausage to wave at the podium while reviling the dais, and the (issue-free) remarks included that she really wanted to bring in a load of manure from someone&#039;s barn and dump it in front of them to show what they REALLY were, but had decided against it.  Big of her, to choose wasting food over a public health nuisance for that day&#039;s onanistic acting-out.

Coach Grigsby?  Seriously?  I was there and spoke that day, as did Mrs. Kelly, who did her &quot;you are the Taliban&quot; show on that occasion.  I saw both Kelly and Grigsby&#039;s performances, and quite frankly they were both emblematic of the ugliness brought to bear in the public process by the oligarchs of &quot;real&quot; Loudoun--those handful of the perpetually outraged who feel the world is theirs alone.

Yes, the Kellys have a nice shop.  Good.  I would never shop there, or recommend it simply because of the years of ugliness displayed by the proprietress, just as there are other businesses I choose not to patronize because of actions personally witnessed that lead me not to wish to give them money.

SS statue?  Really?  I guess if you think the local government is the Taliban when it doesn&#039;t show up to personally get their marching orders from you, then it makes sense.  Have a nice day, if that&#039;s possible for you here in the dregs of the kyriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elderberry, I see you intend to continue not only derailment but Godwin--okay, whatever.</p>
<p>Comprehensive?  No, but long history of observation, made much easier by the theatrics of one of the doyennes of perpetual outraged vitimhood in the county.</p>
<p>The manure comments came on a day when Mrs. brought in a pound of bologna sausage to wave at the podium while reviling the dais, and the (issue-free) remarks included that she really wanted to bring in a load of manure from someone's barn and dump it in front of them to show what they REALLY were, but had decided against it.  Big of her, to choose wasting food over a public health nuisance for that day's onanistic acting-out.</p>
<p>Coach Grigsby?  Seriously?  I was there and spoke that day, as did Mrs. Kelly, who did her "you are the Taliban" show on that occasion.  I saw both Kelly and Grigsby's performances, and quite frankly they were both emblematic of the ugliness brought to bear in the public process by the oligarchs of "real" Loudoun--those handful of the perpetually outraged who feel the world is theirs alone.</p>
<p>Yes, the Kellys have a nice shop.  Good.  I would never shop there, or recommend it simply because of the years of ugliness displayed by the proprietress, just as there are other businesses I choose not to patronize because of actions personally witnessed that lead me not to wish to give them money.</p>
<p>SS statue?  Really?  I guess if you think the local government is the Taliban when it doesn't show up to personally get their marching orders from you, then it makes sense.  Have a nice day, if that's possible for you here in the dregs of the kyriarchy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Catoctin crazy, it burns by Dave LaRock&#8217;s social media problem &#8211; Loudoun Progress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave LaRock&#8217;s social media problem &#8211; Loudoun Progress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 14:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this trait. Even during the 2011 campaign, when he was operating on behalf of Geary Higgins, LaRock advocated a rogue approach to yard sign management, suggesting that volunteers should &quot;go around and take down the [Republican [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this trait. Even during the 2011 campaign, when he was operating on behalf of Geary Higgins, LaRock advocated a rogue approach to yard sign management, suggesting that volunteers should &quot;go around and take down the [Republican [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on White Wash by Elder Berry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elder Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 10:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I pointed out in the previous thread, we American southerners eventually took down the signs over the water fountains that said white and colored even though they were historic too. Maybe it&#039;s time to rethink the statue as well. Put a photo of it in the Loudoun Museum instead. Or move it to a battlefield and match it with a Union soldier&#039;s statue.

I agree that the courthouse is not the place for it in our time. It is hard not to think that it had a message when it was put there in the first place, and equality was not the message.

The rise of so much bullying &quot;secessionist&quot; sentiment in Virginia and the south as a whole these days is sadly not a fluke given that we have a President who is African American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I pointed out in the previous thread, we American southerners eventually took down the signs over the water fountains that said white and colored even though they were historic too. Maybe it's time to rethink the statue as well. Put a photo of it in the Loudoun Museum instead. Or move it to a battlefield and match it with a Union soldier's statue.</p>
<p>I agree that the courthouse is not the place for it in our time. It is hard not to think that it had a message when it was put there in the first place, and equality was not the message.</p>
<p>The rise of so much bullying "secessionist" sentiment in Virginia and the south as a whole these days is sadly not a fluke given that we have a President who is African American.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Take That Statue Down! by Elder Berry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elder Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 10:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given your comprehensive knowledge of the Kellys, Barbara Munsey, right down to their tax records, were you one of the contributors to Grigsby&#039;s defamatory recitation or did you just coach him for his losing court performance? What part of running a small business offends you, it is hardly a life of leisure that gentry would choose. I thought you right wingers supported small business. Apparently you wouldn&#039;t know one if you saw one. You must secretly be one of those socialist communists who resent success in business!  I&#039;ve been to the Kelly yarn store it has been around for at least 15 years and employs four or five people. 

The Kellys were not on trial. Grigsby was and Grigsby is spouting his trash here too, which is how he got to be subject of the discussion. Everyone but you including the jury clearly saw that nothing the Kellys did is in any way comparable to Grigsby&#039;s defamation (slander in common language). Like the Weintraubs I was around at the time and saw the people who dumped the toys pick them up again. Does having duct tape on your mouth or wearing a mask equal slander, of course not. Not at all sure what you think you heard about manure, didn&#039;t hear that at any board meeting I ever attended around that time.

Nice work YOU trying to steer the argument off course. Let&#039;s return, would you think a statue of an SS officer was a nice monument in Berlin? My opinion is that eventually Loudoun took down the signs over the public drinking fountains that said white and colored, and maybe it&#039;s time to rethink the statue, and maybe the Republican Party in Loudoun ought to rethink its reliance on people like Grigsby. The way you stand up for him and Delgaudio it&#039;s impossible to have any respect for you or your opinions at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given your comprehensive knowledge of the Kellys, Barbara Munsey, right down to their tax records, were you one of the contributors to Grigsby's defamatory recitation or did you just coach him for his losing court performance? What part of running a small business offends you, it is hardly a life of leisure that gentry would choose. I thought you right wingers supported small business. Apparently you wouldn't know one if you saw one. You must secretly be one of those socialist communists who resent success in business!  I've been to the Kelly yarn store it has been around for at least 15 years and employs four or five people. </p>
<p>The Kellys were not on trial. Grigsby was and Grigsby is spouting his trash here too, which is how he got to be subject of the discussion. Everyone but you including the jury clearly saw that nothing the Kellys did is in any way comparable to Grigsby's defamation (slander in common language). Like the Weintraubs I was around at the time and saw the people who dumped the toys pick them up again. Does having duct tape on your mouth or wearing a mask equal slander, of course not. Not at all sure what you think you heard about manure, didn't hear that at any board meeting I ever attended around that time.</p>
<p>Nice work YOU trying to steer the argument off course. Let's return, would you think a statue of an SS officer was a nice monument in Berlin? My opinion is that eventually Loudoun took down the signs over the public drinking fountains that said white and colored, and maybe it's time to rethink the statue, and maybe the Republican Party in Loudoun ought to rethink its reliance on people like Grigsby. The way you stand up for him and Delgaudio it's impossible to have any respect for you or your opinions at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on White Wash by Epluribusunum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Epluribusunum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 20:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. There are appropriate places for symbols that record history, including history of which we need to be ashamed, just as there are appropriate places for religious holiday displays, but the front of our courthouse is not one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. There are appropriate places for symbols that record history, including history of which we need to be ashamed, just as there are appropriate places for religious holiday displays, but the front of our courthouse is not one of them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Take That Statue Down! by Barbara Munsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Munsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 19:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice try EPU, but no:  See how my comment of 19:25 on 5/19 is in three parts?  In writing land, that often stands for three seperate ideas, or paragraphs.

The first part is addressed to you, which is why it has your name on it, and references your comment of 16:47 on the same date.

Separated by some space is the second part, which is addressed to Hillsboro (which is why it uses Hillsboro&#039;s name--see how that works?), and answers their comment of 18:20 on the same date, which specifically references John FLANNERY, to whom I was referring in my remarks, as I clarified to elderberry when they decided to continue John F&#039;s, your and their own derailment of a thread about a statue into the Kelly v. Grigsby trial.

But thank you for the projection of your own habitual obfuscation in getting everything back on track where it belongs in your preferred reality, with the progressives nanny-triumphant over the ever thick and dim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice try EPU, but no:  See how my comment of 19:25 on 5/19 is in three parts?  In writing land, that often stands for three seperate ideas, or paragraphs.</p>
<p>The first part is addressed to you, which is why it has your name on it, and references your comment of 16:47 on the same date.</p>
<p>Separated by some space is the second part, which is addressed to Hillsboro (which is why it uses Hillsboro's name--see how that works?), and answers their comment of 18:20 on the same date, which specifically references John FLANNERY, to whom I was referring in my remarks, as I clarified to elderberry when they decided to continue John F's, your and their own derailment of a thread about a statue into the Kelly v. Grigsby trial.</p>
<p>But thank you for the projection of your own habitual obfuscation in getting everything back on track where it belongs in your preferred reality, with the progressives nanny-triumphant over the ever thick and dim.</p>
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		<title>Comment on White Wash by Pariahdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pariahdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 12:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

The issue isn&#039;t the presence of the statue, it&#039;s the location, the fact that the soldier is guarding the court house where *all* people expect equal justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>The issue isn't the presence of the statue, it's the location, the fact that the soldier is guarding the court house where *all* people expect equal justice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on White Wash by Dave Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 12:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would not be having this debate, and publicly airing these issues, if you did not have a statue to debate about. That is its value: it reminds us of our complicity. I understand the desire to wipe the body social of all the dirt of the past and stand clean and neat and morally pure. But that is as false as the idea that the statue does not commemorate evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would not be having this debate, and publicly airing these issues, if you did not have a statue to debate about. That is its value: it reminds us of our complicity. I understand the desire to wipe the body social of all the dirt of the past and stand clean and neat and morally pure. But that is as false as the idea that the statue does not commemorate evil.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Take That Statue Down! by Epluribusunum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Epluribusunum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 03:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but John Grigsby actually posted here, and yes, he was found guilty of defamation and compelled to pay the judgment. Obfuscation and derailing won&#039;t work for you here. Back to the topic at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but John Grigsby actually posted here, and yes, he was found guilty of defamation and compelled to pay the judgment. Obfuscation and derailing won't work for you here. Back to the topic at hand.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Take That Statue Down! by Barbara Munsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Munsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 23:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um, elderberry, my handhsaking remarks referred to the author of this thread, John Flannery.

The Kellys have their own issues, i.e. Halloween masks to give public comment in, throwing toys on the floor of the boardroom, sitting in public with a taped mouth, threatening to dump manure in the boardroom, and accusing elected officials of being the Taliban, along with props.

They seem fortunate to be able to support their property and lifestyle on the proceeds of a small designer yarn shop in a small historic community (really.  but I&#039;m guessing the ag deferral helps too), so I do have to wonder what the admission of business records might have shown.

At any rate, nice further example of angry ranting from a progressive, but sorry, you have assumed the wrong John for your diatribe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um, elderberry, my handhsaking remarks referred to the author of this thread, John Flannery.</p>
<p>The Kellys have their own issues, i.e. Halloween masks to give public comment in, throwing toys on the floor of the boardroom, sitting in public with a taped mouth, threatening to dump manure in the boardroom, and accusing elected officials of being the Taliban, along with props.</p>
<p>They seem fortunate to be able to support their property and lifestyle on the proceeds of a small designer yarn shop in a small historic community (really.  but I'm guessing the ag deferral helps too), so I do have to wonder what the admission of business records might have shown.</p>
<p>At any rate, nice further example of angry ranting from a progressive, but sorry, you have assumed the wrong John for your diatribe.</p>
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